tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post315856293663945582..comments2024-01-22T04:45:58.881+02:00Comments on Simply Jews: Jonathan Freedland and the liberal Zionists' support: thanks but no thanksGideonSworthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13951672633294843881noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-60270402070172523442015-01-12T10:25:43.142+02:002015-01-12T10:25:43.142+02:00Thanks, David, for all the good wishes, and the sa...Thanks, David, for all the good wishes, and the same back to you.<br /><br />As for the coloring all liberal Zionists by the same brush - you are right, I don't usually generalize, and I know that there are liberals and then there are liberals. And I know that not all the right wing people support Israel. <br /><br />All the best.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-78075371573816432532015-01-12T02:23:45.095+02:002015-01-12T02:23:45.095+02:00Please be careful about thinking liberal Jews
in...Please be careful about thinking liberal Jews <br /><br />in America are as fair weather friends as this one. You will alienate a lot of people by assuming all your friends are on the Right and not on the Left or Center. Demographically the future favors the Democrats, not the Republicans. Remember the Republicans have only won one Presidential election, in 2004, in the last 25 years.David Allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-65145276318791392442015-01-12T02:19:13.313+02:002015-01-12T02:19:13.313+02:00Yes, this guy sets a new definition for fair weath...Yes, this guy sets a new definition for fair weather friend. He really does fit the wishy washy example of somebody trying to be all things to all people. I am a liberal Zionist, I suppose, and I supported the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. I do not take delight from civilians killed, but I blame them on Hamas, not Israel. I do not support everything Israel does, such as the West Bank settlements, though I do agree that Palestinian refusal to recognize the State of Israel, not the settlements are the real obstacle to peace. <br /><br />PS: I realize this is all very late and I apologize for not posting this earlier, but Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone here at Simply Jews.David Allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-53116999855308930832015-01-01T10:54:59.452+02:002015-01-01T10:54:59.452+02:00Akaky, you are probably right at that, which means...Akaky, you are probably right at that, which means that we should just be patient for another two years and hope that a more sympathetic person will get into that job. <br /><br />And you are definitely right about the lib Zs...<br /><br />One thing I dare to criticize you for is your uncanny ability to capture all kinds of passing viruses, no matter how high or far they are passing. I have a character like that in my own family and I know that mere persuasion doesn't work. So just get out of this habit for 2015, please.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-42965531170377677352015-01-01T00:08:23.542+02:002015-01-01T00:08:23.542+02:00Snoop, Israel's relationship with the USA is n...Snoop, Israel's relationship with the USA is not eroding; its relationship with the former junior senator from Illinois has eroded, largely because the former junior senator from Illinois is an oaf, a clown, a poltroon, and a jackass. I suspect that liberal Zionism, especially when it comes from the Diaspora, will be more liberal than Zionist, and exists largely to give the peanut gallery a heckler's veto on what goes on in Israel. As you mentioned in another context, this is the metaphorical difference between the pig and the chicken in the ham and egg sandwich; the chicken has an interest in what's going on, whereas the pig is totally committed. As for July 26, 2014, that was my birthday, an event I celebrated by contracting the norovirus, and so I missed this bit of liberal Zionist world weariness. There is nothing like having to make a beeline to the toilet on a more or less constant basis to to make the cares of liberal Zionists seem small and unimportant. Really. If you want to put anything in its proper perspective, try the norovirus. It works every time.Akakynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-2632871624497867522014-12-31T22:41:15.644+02:002014-12-31T22:41:15.644+02:00I would say it is acceptance out of convenience. I...I would say it is acceptance out of convenience. It goes against his place of employment unwritten policy - to disbelieve what matches its general political line.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-54879785430430859442014-12-31T19:48:21.489+02:002014-12-31T19:48:21.489+02:00For me the admission that stood out the most was t...For me the admission that stood out the most was the weathervane bit; I can't imagine how much his life must suck if he treats all incoming data as if it were valid. Where is his common sense? Why can't he figure out that Palestinian sources (and the mass media that relies upon them) are not accurate?InRussetShadowshttp://quiettowers.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-13730485423873945342014-12-30T21:50:05.359+02:002014-12-30T21:50:05.359+02:00You know, when I see a text in Hungarian, half of ...You know, when I see a text in Hungarian, half of the words seem to me to be some extremely elaborated curses... same happens when I hear the spoken language. SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-3333004295315260062014-12-30T21:12:32.691+02:002014-12-30T21:12:32.691+02:00My father once told me that, "they have words...My father once told me that, "they have words for things in Hungarian that we do not even think about in English." This was after he taught me what is apparently the most common curse in Hungarian, which does not have any special words, but certainly invokes something that we are unlikely to think about in English.David Sigetinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-77877319427853574632014-12-30T15:44:54.588+02:002014-12-30T15:44:54.588+02:00Understood ;-)Understood ;-)SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-71456153894814259082014-12-30T13:49:24.794+02:002014-12-30T13:49:24.794+02:00Hungarians have good heart - they will piss on the...Hungarians have good heart - they will piss on them if they are not Guardinista liberal Zionists.peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-50853202818867478982014-12-30T10:50:29.479+02:002014-12-30T10:50:29.479+02:00Here it goes...Here it goes...SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-90564751033240112812014-12-30T10:50:02.087+02:002014-12-30T10:50:02.087+02:00OK. I surrender this point. OK. I surrender this point. SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-52743342596854030752014-12-30T10:49:18.725+02:002014-12-30T10:49:18.725+02:00Aha... Árpád is going to take over these here page...Aha... Árpád is going to take over these here pages, I see. No escape. I can envision other commenters with their guts on fire already ;-)SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-44938060708898938432014-12-30T09:29:13.744+02:002014-12-30T09:29:13.744+02:00The Hungarian version: "Azzal a féltéglával s...The Hungarian version: "Azzal a féltéglával szeretném fejbeverni amivel a mellét döngeti..."<br />I want to hit him with the same brick in the head which he is using for his chest banging (Sorry for the Google translation)peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-45222485659244454512014-12-30T09:13:14.572+02:002014-12-30T09:13:14.572+02:00He doesn't need to say this Snoopy, everybody ...He doesn't need to say this Snoopy, everybody knows it. He says "As-a-liberal-Zionist" and everybody gets the point.peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-30075452387090104622014-12-29T23:02:56.189+02:002014-12-29T23:02:56.189+02:00@peterthehungarian, as another self-identified &qu...@peterthehungarian, as another self-identified "liberal Zionist" (and an Hungarian Jew by descent, to boot), I heartily agree.<br /><br />BTW, in Texas, where I lived for many years, we spoke more elaborately, saying, "I wouldn't piss on him if his guts were on fire."David Sigetinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-57028114513399638972014-12-29T18:49:59.822+02:002014-12-29T18:49:59.822+02:00Oh, you are right in general. As for Freedland, he...Oh, you are right in general. As for Freedland, he is not known to open his articles with "I as a Jew...". <br /><br />But of course, that central sentence I quoted, about zero casualties on our side, was a bit more than a normal person could bear.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-733922930531098222014-12-29T15:21:45.486+02:002014-12-29T15:21:45.486+02:00Seriously speaking - I have zero problem with his ...Seriously speaking - I have zero problem with his kind writing in Israel/Jewish friendly papers/blogs like Tablet or similar. But when they reel off their list of woes regarding Israel in openly hostile media giving them the "we are not against Jews/Israel - see the writer is Jewish" credibility then my shit detector goes out of range.peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-4598746196568046932014-12-29T15:12:17.710+02:002014-12-29T15:12:17.710+02:00I have my weaknesses Snoopy...I have my weaknesses Snoopy...peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-52841179133653067562014-12-29T15:07:07.298+02:002014-12-29T15:07:07.298+02:00Ach, Peter, now you are being relentless ;-) Ach, Peter, now you are being relentless ;-) SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-62544617043073072052014-12-29T15:03:12.709+02:002014-12-29T15:03:12.709+02:00Let's agree that we disagree. Mixed results in...Let's agree that we disagree. Mixed results in his case (and similar cases) are not good enough according to my liberal Zionist worldview.peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-61015375797964217132014-12-29T14:19:41.530+02:002014-12-29T14:19:41.530+02:00You know, Freedland had his moments of being quite...You know, Freedland had his moments of being quite lucid. He is not a totally lost case, although this specific article may say otherwise. Try to search this blog for Freedland and you shall see some mixed results.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-43086319145682593942014-12-29T13:46:05.010+02:002014-12-29T13:46:05.010+02:00Snoopy in Freedland's case you are wasting you...Snoopy in Freedland's case you are wasting your time. In his (and comrades) self declared "liberal Zionists" the attribute "liberal" is only a keyword used to keep their lucrative jobs at anti-Zionist/antisemitic media forums like the Guardian. Liberal Zionists are people like me and believe me/us I/we wouldn't piss on Freedland even if he is on fire.peterthehungariannoreply@blogger.com