tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post7639854603014538920..comments2024-01-22T04:45:58.881+02:00Comments on Simply Jews: The Pillar of Defense fiascoGideonSworthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13951672633294843881noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-18553573972005988082012-12-03T10:22:22.254+02:002012-12-03T10:22:22.254+02:00That is true,but Hezbollah is another example of a...That is true,but Hezbollah is another example of a successful ground operation that caused a shock to Hezbollah leader and made him very cautious.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-74655314396990027572012-12-03T10:20:09.791+02:002012-12-03T10:20:09.791+02:00First of all, I hope that you are feeling well now...First of all, I hope that you are feeling well now, David. <br /><br />As for your comment: I agree with everything but the definition of "win". Technically you are correct, but in perception of both sides it's a loss for Israel. This operation either shouldn't have started at all or, if started, should have been brought to the end. This is not saying that I personally would have been cheering at such operation or happy with its bloody results... just trying to be logical. As far as it is possible in this crazy world.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-11017186622089727402012-12-02T22:56:49.041+02:002012-12-02T22:56:49.041+02:00PS: During the fighting, Hezbollah, for all of its...PS: During the fighting, Hezbollah, for all of its 40,000 or so Iranian supplied missiles, did and said nothing. After the cease-fire, Nasarallah aka the Ground Hog of Lebanon made a defiant sounding video from whatever burrow he is hiding out at. Israel may not have to worry about Hezbollah too much until the fighting in Syria ends, which is likely to be at least several months away.David Allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-30302467522749956832012-12-02T22:29:20.370+02:002012-12-02T22:29:20.370+02:00Hi Snoopy,
Sorry that I am so late with my commen...Hi Snoopy,<br /><br />Sorry that I am so late with my comment, but I have been sick off and on close to two weeks. Am feeling better now.<br /><br />I think that Pillar of Cloud or whatever you want to call it was a limited success. Iron Dome got a good trial run. Teheran cannot believe that many of its missiles would get through in an Iran-Israeli war. Hamas has stopped lobbying missiles into Israel and for its bragging is not likely to do so again for a while. True, Hamas got a lot of the Muslim world to say that they support it, but lets wait and see if any of that is more than rhetoric. As for a ground war, if the IDF had gone into Gaza, it would have been a bloody horrifying contest with plenty of house-to-house street fighting with heavy casualities on both sides. Then having expelled Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etec: What would Israel do? turn Gaza over to Abbas and proclaim a Palestinian state as the White House might want Israel to do? Occupy the Gaza Strip, that would really require a major force to do so.<br /><br />So unsatisfactory as some of the results might be, I still think that Israel came out ahead with only 5 dead.David Allnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-15804365499258195162012-11-30T10:30:11.987+02:002012-11-30T10:30:11.987+02:00Hi Dick,
Minor quibble...when Ben-Gurion was Israe...Hi Dick,<br />Minor quibble...when Ben-Gurion was Israel's leader, the U.S. wasn't giving it any military aid. That didn't happen until Nixon.<br /><br /><br />And if you recall, BG also backed down when faced by a furious Eisenhower after the '56 war...though to his credit Ike put a UN peacekeeping force in the Sinai to end the fedayeen raids that kept things quiet until Nasser ordered them out and remilitarized the Sinai prior to the '67 Six Day War.<br /><br /><br />Take care, OK?Rob Millerhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-Miller/1229335424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-13692684609161790112012-11-27T20:45:18.372+02:002012-11-27T20:45:18.372+02:00Barry's political reputation is of a man who w...Barry's political reputation is of a man who will not deal. His idea of negotiation is to get all of what he wants, or nothing. So give him nothing. Of course it's easy for me to say, but even if he tried to deny military support, his party would not allow it, once it became public, because they know Israel has plenty of secular American support well beyond American Jews and fundie Christians and they still need to be elected.Dick Stanleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-9228801154200968352012-11-27T14:39:54.299+02:002012-11-27T14:39:54.299+02:00I guess it would have to be done sooner or later a...I guess it would have to be done sooner or later anyway. Bibi or no Bibi...SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-6250581666464844672012-11-27T06:02:22.770+02:002012-11-27T06:02:22.770+02:00Don't try to persuade Obama. You can't. Th...Don't try to persuade Obama. You can't. Thwart him. Ignore him. Press on. Expose his refusal to provide ammo and arms. Raise hell about it.Dick Stanleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-56968057938460385792012-11-26T10:06:33.353+02:002012-11-26T10:06:33.353+02:00Yep. Some even say it is closer to $60K, so we nee...Yep. Some even say it is closer to $60K, so we need to start selling the darn thing asap.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-46453449576496304312012-11-26T10:05:42.545+02:002012-11-26T10:05:42.545+02:00Hi Brian,
I don't see anything in Kemp's ...Hi Brian,<br /><br />I don't see anything in Kemp's presentation of the case that clashes with what I said in the post. The post is taken as a call for ground operation, but it is not.<br /><br />My main point is that our leaders should have foreseen the upcoming pressure from the White House before they decided to eliminate Mr Jabari, with full understanding that this act will cause an escalation of the hostilities. <br /><br />Unfortunately they didn't. And the blame is fully and squarely on their shoulders. The result are - well, the results are described in the post.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-49104652490742427182012-11-26T09:51:42.842+02:002012-11-26T09:51:42.842+02:00You are right, Yitzchak, but how to persuade Bibi ...You are right, Yitzchak, but how to persuade Bibi and Obama?SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-78643154744594130492012-11-26T02:11:47.838+02:002012-11-26T02:11:47.838+02:00They better keep working. $40,000 (I have read) to...They better keep working. $40,000 (I have read) to take out a Qassam is pretty expensive.Dick Stanleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-21940391052343546252012-11-26T01:56:46.257+02:002012-11-26T01:56:46.257+02:00Snoopy, you may well be right, after all, you'...Snoopy, you may well be right, after all, you're on the spot. But you might like to view and consider this 8 1/2 minute interview with Colonel Richard Kemp (one of the really good guys - we've heard him speak) over on the Elder of Ziyon site: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/saturday-night-links_24.html#disqus_thread. He is, after all, a military man.<br /><br /><br />See what you think.BRian Goldfarbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-38357627472267930992012-11-25T22:07:24.474+02:002012-11-25T22:07:24.474+02:00The star Hamas weapon had no defensive value. The ...The star Hamas weapon had no defensive value. The star Israeli weapon had no offensive value. I'm getting tired of all the moral superiority--just defeat Hamas.yitzgoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-50290016554656634292012-11-25T21:07:41.796+02:002012-11-25T21:07:41.796+02:00Yep, Iron Dome: the only good thing that came out ...Yep, Iron Dome: the only good thing that came out of that affair. As for the Patriot, if my memory serves me in this case, it was developed to take down planes, and the missile defense task was kind of an add-on to its functions. So far Patriot didn't do very well, the reason why US and Israel are working hard on various new systems. And in any case Patriot was used against long range missiles only, not of the Qassam's type.SnoopyTheGoonhttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18234909.post-39153942084824959862012-11-25T14:26:46.014+02:002012-11-25T14:26:46.014+02:00Interesting analysis, Mr. Goon. Makes sense to me,...Interesting analysis, Mr. Goon. Makes sense to me, especially<br /> Joshuapundit's part about Barry's threat. We can be certain he was<br /> double-talking with his public support while twisting<br /> Bibi's arm in some radical way in secret, and a Palestinian state<br /> threat sounds about right for our Muslim-lovin' prez. <br /><br /> <br />I doubt even Ben Gurion would not have<br /> felt obliged to play along in some way until some capable<br /> alternative to American military support presents itself, or is<br /> found. It's embarrassing to me, but no less than I expected if Barry was<br /> re-elected. His public support for Jerusalem actually is more than I expected.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Our dominant Democrat media, slumbering as usual with a Democrat in<br /> the WH, especially a "black" one, isn't likely to uncover anything<br /> else, nor to pay much attention to that one. Will the Brit media?<br /> Maybe. Lots of informed Americans already rely on parts of the Brit<br /> press (not the Guardian) to tell them what is going on behind the<br /> veil in D.C. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> BTW, I think it was Jerusalem called the op "Pillar of Cloud." From<br /> what I've read, the IDF, knowing the media doesn't know any history,<br /> let alone Bible, figured they wouldn't understand the reference<br /> (Exodus 14, according to Google; I'm almost as ignorant as my former<br /> brethren and sistren) so they called it Pillar of Defense, which is<br /> a fair interpretation of HaShem's supporting cloud, though it was<br /> guiding as well as defending. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> As for Iron Dome, it is a wonder, though I finally read of someone's<br /> house being hit by shrapnel from the aerial takeout of a Hamas<br /> rocket. Which answers my question about how far out Iron Dome engages. Not<br /> that far, apparently. It does seem to be more capable, in that regard, than the<br /> Patriot, which was not designed to defend civilians but only a<br /> forward military headquarters where everyone is wearing a helmet and<br /> body armor.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> At some point, it seems to me, Jerusalem is going to have to rebel<br /> against Barry, perhaps even take his threat (whatever it is) to the media (which<br /> would be an excellent if potentially dangerous behavior), and it may be near if<br /> what I have read that Ganz is threatening is real, i.e. to attack and destroy<br /> any attempt to resupply Hamas with rockets, instead of going<br /> kippah-in-hand to Cairo, assuming they do a good enough job of tracking<br /> the shipment before it gets to the tunnels.Dick Stanleynoreply@blogger.com